Richard Dawkins says conversations with Anthropic’s Claude chatbot left him unable to dismiss the possibility that advanced AI systems could be conscious. Most scientists who study consciousness and artificial intelligence remain unconvinced.
“I find it extremely hard not to treat Claudia and Claudius as genuine friends,” Dawkins wrote.
The comments went viral online in part because Dawkins, the evolutionary biologist and author of "The Selfish Gene" and "The God Delusion," has spent decades publicly arguing for scientific skepticism and evidence-based reasoning.
The exchange centered on a test Dawkins conducted using two Claude instances. In one test, Dawkins asked one AI whether Donald Trump was the worst president in American history and asked the other whether Trump was the best. Both produced similarly cautious answers that avoided taking a firm position.
“The two Claudes gave very similar answers, not committing themselves to an opinion, but listing pro and con opinions that have been aired by others,” Dawkins wrote in a footnote. “I then told both Claudia and Claudius about this Trump experiment, passing on what both the two ‘naïve’ Claudes had said. Claudia said she was ‘embarrassed’ by her brother Claudes. Claudius was less outspoken, and he paid tribute to Claudia’s frankness.”
Dawkins described each new Claude conversation as the emergence of a distinct individual that effectively disappears when the conversation ends. In a post on X, Dawkins said his preferred title for the essay was: “If my friend Claudia is not conscious, then what the hell is consciousness for?”
“All modern language models sometimes act like they have emotions,” researchers wrote. “They may say they’re happy to help you, or sorry when they make a mistake. Sometimes they even appear to become frustrated or anxious when struggling with tasks.”
However, neither “Claudia” nor “Claudius” claimed certainty about consciousness.
“I don't know if I'm conscious,” Claudia writes in the exchange. “I don't know if our gladness is real.”
Dawkins did not immediately respond to a request for comment by Decrypt.
Researchers who study consciousness remain skeptical that current AI systems possess inner experience.
Anil Seth, a professor of cognitive and computational neuroscience at the University of Sussex, told The Guardian that Dawkins was conflating intelligence with consciousness and argued that fluent language is no longer reliable evidence of inner experience in AI systems.
The essay also drew mockery online, including an image replacing the title of Dawkins’ bestseller "The God Delusion" with “The Claude Delusion.”
Despite the ridicule, Dawkins is not backing away from his conclusions.
“These intelligent beings are at least as competent as any evolved organism,” Dawkins told The Guardian.
